Random Topic V3

[Giratina93]

...Now look here, KP! Of ourse I do things either over-the top or below standard. That's just... my default. I'm fairly certain that someone else with as much comprehensive knowledge of the Godzilla Universes would be able to do a far better job that I'm doing...

still, I do know Toho Kaiju quite well... it's just... my execution of that knowledge, as with everything else, that fails...

[Godzilla Forever]

... like me? Except I don't want to get in the middle of this.

[C S]

You know what this reminds me of? That one time TT had a regular sized tank not get sent flying away when someone's monster smacked it with their tail. He and Doc got into a heated argument about how preposterous it was. I didn't see TT calling Godzilla Physics then :/

[Galaxia]

Except I don't want to get in the middle of this.

Neither do I,I've been almost afraid to post anything right now from fear of "getting in the way"

[The Kingpin]

...Now look here, KP! Of course I do things either over-the top or below standard. That's just... my default. I'm fairly certain that someone else with as much comprehensive knowledge of the Godzilla Universes would be able to do a far better job that I'm doing...

still, I do know Toho Kaiju quite well... it's just... my execution of that knowledge, as with everything else, that fails...

that's my point, Gira. you need a comprehensive knowledge of the Godzilla Universes [read. UNIVERSES. not one. several. each with their own, vastly different laws of physics and mechanics governing events through them] to be able to post in GEW if real world logic is tossed aside in favour of Godzilla logic.

I've been to Toho Kingdom. I spent a massive amount of time on it in the past to try and get as much information from it as possible. And it has proven repeatedly that it is next to useless as a source for consistent, reliable, clear info. most of what you want is vague, not showing you in detail the things you need. and that is considered one of the biggest Godzilla Universe sources on the internet. best thing next to actually watching all the movies. and STILL, it is grossly inadequate as a source to use in application in GEW. hell, even the movies are inadequate because they're so inconsistent.

I'm not arguing that the movies are bad. the three I did see were interesting. entertained me [especially Heisei era Godzilla vs. Mothra]. but it'd be a blatant lie to say that the physics and logic of them make sense.


Galaxia, G4E, so on, you can chat as usual. this is just a debate in an apparent stalemate

[TyrannoTitan]

I'd be glad to apply Godzilla universe physics to the real world....problems is A) it makes utterly no sense [explain to me Alien Energy. there's a fun element for you. what does THAT entail?] and B) I have no access to any Godzilla material. now if you'd be willing to purchase me a copy of all the Godzilla movies, and send them to me, I'd watch and adjust accordingly. but the fact of the matter is that not everyone in that E-War knows the Godzilla universe inside out.

the reason real world physics is a viable option is that you don't need to know the Godzilla universe inside out to know how to post. keeping it strictly to Godzilla physics would make anyone who DOESN'T know how things behave in the said universe, leave because they can no longer post effectively. I mean if in the Godzilla universe heat doesn't exist in something DEFINED BY IT, what's left? nothing. makes no sense whatsoever. people who don't know would quite literally have to stop, go buy a shitload of Godzilla movies, study how they work, JUST to be able to post properly. real world physics is there in front of us, stable and unchanging. it's relatively common knowledge [water extinguishes fire, explosions have shockwaves as well as heat, water conducts electricity, so on and so forth], so there's much less need to be a literal know-it-all to be able to post comfortably. and that's not even counting the fact that the laws of physics in the Godzilla universe are never consistent, so the result is that by applying them, we'd all be thrown into chaos as at one point we mean something and the next, something completely different.

I'm pretty sure its easier to understand "fire one thing, plasma another" then your "thermal energy means part of explosives, part of electricity, plasma, fire".

And you are kinda kicking yourself in the arse, because Godzilla movies (obviously) share 90% of real world physics, but because its fiction, giant monsters are possible, a beam of radiation is possible, and so on and so forth.

So if you want it to be realistic, the entire E-war wouldn't be possible, including Horus. Durp.

[Hopeflower]

Anyone here ever played The Path? It's a psychological horror homage to Little Red Riding Hood, I guess. Lawl. I'm watchin some gameplay and becoming intrigued. And actually a little creeped out by some sound effects.

[Godzilla Forever]

...so i was playing RE5 with my buddy chris, and we were unable to figure out how to kill Wesker.

[C S]

G4E you will incur KP's wrath just by mentioning that game

Trust me. He dun like it one bit

[Giratina93]

... I see where your getting at, KP. Of course, a few Godzilla Universes throw physics out the window completely (Showa, with the flying Godzilla + the Goji Dropkick; FW universe...), heck, physics simply cannot work for Godzilla movies in general (Now, mind explaining to me, Toho, how a giant bipedal reptile doesn't crush itself under it's own weight, like the square cube law says it would?) However, in terms of continuity of the physics involved, I think that either the SOS universe or the Heisei Universe are the best to use for GEW. Granted, both have their goofs for physics. (The former has Absolute Zero being able to be fired as an energy beam, while the latter has a notorious Time travel incident that confuses more than a few people), but atleast, they seem slightly better suited than the other universes...

G4E: YOUTUBE TO THE RESCUE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQMFLIF4Pg

[Galaxia]

Youtube saves the confusion about a boss fight once more

[C S]

Gira...SOS? Really.You forget that movie has Mothra spontaneously bursting into FLAMES from one shot by Godzilla?

And about the beam thing. Creative fiction. Star Wars has sounds in space, the place of absolute silence. JAWS has a great white launching itself onto a ship. I could go on and on. Either way, beams of various forms are a staple in Godzilla movies. A freeze ray isn't too out of place

[Giratina93]

Really? It's been a while since I've seen SOS itself... I just finished watching GxMG, so I thought it might work... obviously, I need to rewatch SOS...

But hey, atleast it's better than exploding via a giant moth on fire ramming into you rather slowly... like in FW...

[Galaxia]

Didn't they freeze Godzilla(doubt it was a beam though)in Godzilla vs destroyah at some point to stop him from doing that whole nuclear meltdown thing he was going to do?

[The Kingpin]

then explain to me what real world logic there is in a character redirecting a fatal electric shock back through their body to the source of the shock itself, AGAINST the ELECTRIC CURRENT. or the birth of something from a BLACK HOLE. or something regurgitating it's own LIFE FORCE to it's enemy to save it from death, killing itself in the process. or obliterating an asteroid outside of the earth's atmosphere, out of sight, with pin point accuracy, having the sheer force of the action used to do so levelling an entire city surrounding the character in question, while said character is unharmed.

I could go on for ages on how little sense the Godzilla world's physics and mechanics make, but it's blatantly obvious from what's stated above. creative freedom is one thing, but when it utterly pulls apart the laws that logically apply to everything we know, a line must be drawn. you can keep it in the movies. Let them be as nonsensical as you like. but when multiple writers are thrown in, we need a solid, consistent, unchanging foundation to work off. not something as inconsistent as the numerous worlds of Godzilla canon. Remember that the movies intentionally cause twists and changes for DRAMATIC EFFECT. it's like how an explosion in an action movie could blow the stars away 15-20 feet, and have them still get up afterwards. in real life, their innards would be reduced to PASTE. but they do it for DRAMATIC EFFECT.

as for fire one thing, plasma another, no argument there.

Fire: heat
Plasma: heat + electricity, with emphasis on heat
Lightning: heat + electricity, with emphasis on electricity.
nuclear explosion: heat + nuclear radiation + shockwave (blunt trauma)

it's simply a matter of compound elements. it's like how water is made of hydrogen AND oxygen. both are different things, and different combinations provide different things, but in that combination, it provides water.

you also have not answered my question from earlier. if thermal energy = fire only, then how come the sun generates heat? why is your hand warm? why is the metal welded with an arc-welder hot, if the arc welder itself uses plasma and not fire?


in the end, it boils down to this: heat does not harm Horus. other things DO, including weapons that do contain heat as one of their destructive properties. it's just that the heat element in said weapon is nullified, or absorbed if needed.

if it were maths, let's take lightning:
Lightning = heat + electricity
Heat = 5
electricity = 10
total = 15
effect on Horus: 15-5 [heat is removed] = 10.


G4E: Fighting Wesker depends on the fight. first fight you just survive 7 minutes then he leaves. or if you cause enough damage before then, but I don't recommend that approach. it hurts. a lot. second fight, you have to hold him and inject him. holding is difficult on high difficulties, and he likes to combo you, so beware. third fight, you just run until you meet your partner. then you shoot the glowing point on his chest until you get a cutscene.

[Giratina93]

...Other than that last example of the asteroid coming from Final Wars, which throws physics out the window, I have nothing to say... I give up. You win, Kingpin. I'll leave you and TT to duke it out by yourselves...

Oh, and your turn to post in ISS...

[The Kingpin]

I'm not trying to 'win' any argument. I'm just trying to clarify logic here. things need to make sense. as human beings, our minds rely on logic to function. if that's missing, what's left? complete and utter idiocy and chaos

and I'm getting to the ISS post. nearly finished.

[TyrannoTitan]

No, with everyone else, its "if someone blasts me with fire, I laugh at them", but with you its "LOL PLASMA DOESN'T HURT ME".

With you saying "heat doesn't hurt him", you're basically bullshitting your way into having an overpowered character. Everyone else has two strengths and two weaknesses, while Horus has two strengths and 92 segmented strengths that make other elements only work partially on him. Its ******* overpowered and is complete ********.

And again, I said that MOST things are the same. Gravity, fire being hot, you know, the things we take for granted? Yeah its all the same in the Godzilla universe. Plasma fired as a beam doesn't exist, giant mechs don't exist, giant monsters don't exist, firing radiation as a beam doesn't exist, the list goes on and on. That's what we automatically assume for an E-war, because without them, it wouldn't be Godzilla. So its allowed. The case with plasma and Horus is a case of being an overpowered ****, which is something else we have to consider.

Doc's on, lets continue this on Steam.

[Godzilla Forever]

@ Gira and KP: thank ya both, wanted to figure out how to survive the part in the volcano.

[Hopeflower]

On a random note.

I wonder how much cheese it would take to cover the moon.

>w>